Sunday, June 28, 2009

Houston Trip Report - No PNE diagnosis

Husband and I made it back from Houston, alive, still married, and Husband didn't drown after his swim in the pool.  I do not have a pudendal nerve entrapment from what it looks like so far. So that is great news.  I don't know if the doctors we saw knew what they were doing and it's just a developing area of medicine or if they were complete and utter quacks.  Here's the trip report - and again, I give these Doctors names for the sake of helping others who are searching for information regarding this very rare nerve problem of which VERY few doctors in the US treat:

Day 1: Meeting with Dr. Renney who didn't want to see any records other than my CT and Pelvic MRI.  He took a Pelvic X-Ray.  We briefly discussed my history though I'd call it more of a cross-examination of the answers that I gave during our 15 minute phone consultation. There's a big difference between lacking in bedside manner and a point where you feel like you're just not in good hands.  His personality crosses into the latter.  The takeaway - my symptoms fall into the questionable category -- basically, I'm not textbook.  I knew that going in.  The big surprise - leaving Houston no doctor would tell me whether or not I had a PNE diagnosis.  I would have to come to that conclusion on my own based on the testing they did, the history I discussed with him and the results of the nerve block.  Sounds like limiting liability to me and basically the weirdest medical statement I have ever heard come from a doctor's mouth.  

Next appointment will live on in my nightmares.  Saw Dr. Popeney, neurologist but a D.O., not an M.D., for the PNMLT and other electrophysiologic testing.  I must question anyone who goes into this particular line of gruesome testing and lacks any bedside manner - it's one thing to do it and believe you are helping to diagnose those in pain but it's another to do it when the results are essentially meaningless since the nerve block is really all that matters diagnostically and 50% of people with PNE have normal PNMLT testing.

A "Cuban Doctor" who barely spoke English took Husband and I into the room where these torture procedures were going to be done and suddenly I felt like I was in 1950s Cuba (except we're across the street from Old Navy).  No major medical center in sight.  This is what people desperate for a diagnosis do.  I brought myself to Houston to do this - this team is supposed to be top notch.  I look around this room and top notch is not what I am seeing.  I'm trying to get this "Cuban Doctor" to tell me if the real Doctor is going to come and meet my husband and explain to us what is going to happen in here.  He tells my husband to stay.  He then tells me to put on the paper gown, cover myself up with the paper sheet and get on the end of the table "like I'm about to deliver a baby."  This has me very upset now.  At that point I'm on the verge of a meltdown and I tell my husband to just leave or I'm going to start to cry.  

The PNMLT was pretty bad it measured the speed of the nerve conduction.  The "Cuban Doctor" was standing at the 1950s machine happily running the electrical current (not a single "doing ok?" from either of them) while the doctor is calling out "another 10!" "another 20!"  The whole thing was surreal.  That's the only test I'd read about.  Well, ladies, it gets worse.  Way worse.  In the other test, let's just say it involved needles in places you don't want them, a clamp in another place you don't want it, and electrical shocks.  The "Cuban Doctor" got to do about 20 more electrical shocks.   You have to hold yourself down onto the table.  Pure torture.  And complete heartlessness from those in the room.  Then some temperature testing similar to what I have had done before - abnormal.  They tested a new spot in Houston though - near the Pudendal nerve - that was the only abnormal result of the day.  

Interestingly enough, no blood pressure check beforehand, no female nurse present in the room.  I don't recall even signing a consent form.  That's certainly not the way I've seen medicine practiced the last 8 months.  We go to get the results and the Doctor essentially says your results were normal for the PNMLT but they are about half the time and people still have PNE.  So, thanks for making me your guinea pig!  

Day 2: Meeting with a physical therapist.  Her first question - "so what does Dr. Renney want me to do with you?"  How the hell am I supposed to know?  What follows is absurd, comical and yet another place I dropped off some dignity in Houston.  The highlights: I practiced pooping her latex finger out.  Yes, you read that correctly.  I've been constipated for about 2 weeks because I am a walking pharmaceutical plant and I guess she thought teaching me how to poop would somehow change that?  It was horrifying.  I will not go into any more detail than that.  And we finished the appointment with the conclusion that my hamstrings are tight - that information is about as useful to me as her telling me that my roots are looking a little dark.  No shit my hamstrings are tight.  Did I need to fly to Houston for that?  Why don't you actually check out my pelvic region and you'll find that every single muscle there is tight due to pain.  And then the real kicker - on the way out the door she tells me to do Kegels exercises.  This is specifically what you are NOT supposed to do if you have a pudendal nerve problem or any other nerve problem in your pelvis which leads to shortened, tightened pelvic floor muscles.  At that point I had another appointment to get to so I just said ok thanks I'll do that.  I couldn't even believe what I was hearing! She didn't even feel inside my pelvic floor or she would have known that she just gave me the exact opposite advice of what I should be doing.  

In 14 days I have to e-mail Dr. Renney and let him how I am doing and I will be sure to mention that his Physical Therapist is giving wonderfully awful advice to his patients.  Not that he will care.  

Next appointment was the big one, going in for the nerve block.  After the indignity of learning how to poop, I couldn't even speak in the car for awhile so I was really second guessing whether this was the right place to come, the right thing to do.  But this block was going to tell us whether or not I had PNE.  The Dr. who did the block was excellent.  Dr. Murphy.  The nurses there were great.  It was at Memorial Hermann Sugar Land Hospital - very clean and efficiently run.  The only differences from previous nerve block procedures - no blood pressure taken beforehand, the nurse instead of the doctor went over the consent (very quickly) and I was allowed to keep my jewelry on.  I didn't even meet the doctor until I was in the CT machine. They numb you up and then inject the pudendal nerve thru the butt - I had the right and left side done since I have pain on both sides.  Wasn't too painful of a procedure except repositioning the needles to make sure they're in the correct spots at the nerve.  You're very numb right afterwards and they bring out a chair, sit you down and everyone stares at you and they want to know if you are still in pain.  It's a lot of pressure and since I've had blocks before I knew that this is what would happen.  I had a hard time telling, as I have in the past.  You're numb, you feel weird, but I knew after a bit that it didn't work.  We even left the hospital and drove a bit, got out of the car and walked around it a couple times to make sure.  

The doctor called as promised about 1 hr later and said he was very surprised that the block did not work since part of my testing from day 1 had been abnormal (the warmth testing).  So he believes the steroids that were in the block may help over the next two weeks.  I AGAIN said but I am on Methadone which is making me feel better so how will you know which has improved me in two weeks.  If you have PNE the block is the diagnostic tool.  The steroids are simply added in there as a way to give you some therapeutic help afterwards.  They are NOT part of the diagnosis as they are now trying to have me believe.  I'm starting to believe this group is for whatever reason interested in the money or proving their cause, I'm not sure which.      

Please contact me if you are considering seeing them and would like more information.      


9 comments:

  1. Wow. I'm sorry you have gone through so much. Sending comforting thoughts your way. I cant even imagine!

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  2. What horror stories! I'm really quite appalled! I'm so sorry that was your experience. I hope that you (and husband) are treating yourself extra well. It sounds like it will take awhile to recover from all of that, mentally and physically.

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  3. Ugh, I'm so sorry it was a dead end. How disappointing. But also what an awful time of it you had. After making all that effort. What do you think you're next step will be?

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  4. WOW... just... wow. I am so sorry you had to go through that, I just can't believe these people call themselves doctors. Hoping and praying you get your much deserved answers and pain relief very very soon!!!

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  5. wow...im so sorry for your experience. my gyn wants to send me to their physical therapist place for pain with sex, but now i'm scared. do you remember the name of the therapist you saw? I want to avoid her if i go.

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  6. I don't remember the name of the physical therapist that I saw but the physical therapy place in general seemed very professional and I saw lots of female patients coming and going. I would definitely give it a try. You've inspired me to do a post on physical therapy because lots of people stumble on this blog searching for pelvic physical therapy. It's definitely intimidating the first time but the key is to find the right person. If you're not happy with your experience with the first person you're with at the PT place, specifically ask to try someone else. Just while I was in the waiting room I heard someone doing that and I've had to do that with my own PT place in NY until I FINALLY found someone that could help with my particular problem.

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  7. PN is not a good thing to have. Neither is pelvic floor dysfunction. The ways of diagnosing someone for one or the other are limited and can be painful. There are very few other choices of where to go to in the U.S. and the doctors in Houston are overloaded. I feel that your story is a bit misleading and that you could be scaring off people who might actually be helped by this team of doctors.

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  8. To address the anonymous commenter -- I do not feel that my story is at all misleading - I posted this particular blog entry with real purpose (more so than any of my other blog entries) because most people who seek out PNE doctors are doing so at their own expense and after their own research - generally without any support of their own doctors and often without the support of their own families. I expected a different experience in Houston. What I posted is what I got. Simply put. There are other PNE doctors out there. If you go to Houston, yes, you may be getting the best in terms of diagnosis (I felt in 100% best hands during the injections) but the rest was not what I considered top notch medicine. I have heard good things about Dr. Hibner in Arizona but I have not seen him. All I can say is do your research. For injections, I would return to Houston, for anything else, I would not. As for pelvic floor dysfunction, Houston certainly won't evaluate you for that. See my post on Pelvic Floor Physical Therapy. It may help many. Don't go to Houston expecting to be evaluated for anything but PNE. And to think you will go there and leave being told by a doctor their opinion on whether you have PNE - you will not. I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm trying to give the information that I was seeking before I went to Houston. This group may help many but I believe people need to go in with their eyes open. If you're on the internet seeking information, you're entitled to know what to expect. I have since found postings similar to mine related to Dr. Popeney on ratemds.com.

    If you believe you may have PNE, SEEK HELP!! SEEK HELP IMMEDIATELY!! All my post is intended to say is figure out which team of doctors or which doctor you want to see. You head to Houston and you may be headed quickly down a surgical path. If you're not sure this is PNE, like me, I recommend seeing someone that will consider other nerves as well. Either way, research, become your best and only advocate, and hit the phone lines, call these doctors, they WILL call you back, the point is SEE SOMEONE!!! Would I do Houston all over again? Sure, if it got me closer to figuring out what my problem is, absolutely. Ultimately, everything I do I view as a step closer to a diagnosis. I don't think this is PNE and it's definitely not pelvic floor dysfunction. It's a specific nerve problem - either genitofemoral or ilioinguinal most likely. But, I can't rule out PNE yet. If you are considering going to Houston, they do excellent blocks which are the most important thing in my opinion when you're seeking a diagnosis - please email me or post if you are searching for answers.

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  9. I believe that Dr. Renney cannot and will not give you a definite opinion on his diagnoses if he is not sure of it, if the diagnostic tools they used on you didn't all point to the same thing. You're complaining because you didn't get a definite diagnoses, right? Well, your injections didn't work, right? Did you want them to tell you you have PNE when the injections did not relieve your pain? Of course they can't. PN is not just so cut an clean like so many other conditions. The diagnostic tools that we have now will in all likelihood be better in 5-10 years, but for now this is all we've got. Dr. Filler has this machine called the MRN which is supposedly capable of viewing the nerves like a CT machine views bones. Perhaps this could find another nerve that you have that is the offending nerve. He's got machines in L.A. and in Philadelphia.

    You know, many people have all of the symptoms and their tests all have indicated that they have PN. They've gone on to have the PN surgery and did not get better. What do you do then, blame the surgeon? What if the surgeon did a perfect surgery, but your nerve was just too far damaged? Again, it's not a good condition to have at all, and to specifically go out of your way to disparage the few doctors who still treat PN patients can do more damage than good. Sure, it's your right, but sometimes you have to just realized that you've been dealt a bad hand and make the best of what is available to you.

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